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I can't believe your rudeness. You head over to visit this Russian bride along with two others and then you expect her to pick up and leave her family behind to spend Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with you in the big city!? In the FSU New Years Eve is the day that people put up decorated trees, have supper with the family and get presents from a guy in a white beard dressed in red and white. And this is a country that does *NOT* have the Thanksgiving holiday, i.e. New Years is more important to them as family time than Christmas is to Americans.
I hope you get dumped by all of them.
nice, real nice :wall:
Ignore him as most of us do. Go and have fun, but you may be turned down for the New Years gig in Keiv.
Good Grief, get over yourself~!
Why not travel up on the 1st? If things go well with your UW, you can spend New Years with her. Wouldn't that be better?
On the other hand, if things go to heck, bail out and head back to Kiev. There is always something to do in Kiev.
That's me. If you wanna win my heart, then work on winning MY heart. If you mess with other women as well, they can have you.
I don't think it is pride, just lady's self-respect. I am not saying that I am better than all other women, or anything of that sort.
I think I'm married to your sister.
I know for a fact that I don't have any. :lol:
No sisters? Unfortunate for you, perhaps, but there are many RWs who think exactly as you do. During our courtship my wife would not have tolerated another woman in the picture,,,at all. You've hit the nail squarely on the head with the statement, "If you wanna win MY heart", this is sooooo typical. RWs are not required to win the heart of an American suitor, it's their job to woo the Russian woman.
I think that's where the WMVM guy runs aground so often.. It's not the "write many" that gets them screwed up, it's the "visit many" that so often goes astray. Probably half the failed reports we see (except Matt) are due to this lack of understanding.
I ain't gettin' in to that arguement again, so let's drop it now.
Again, this is another problem with absolutes. We tend to say things like, "this will absolutely not work." After spending some time here, we see that virtually any method you pick has a chance for success and a chance for failure. The trap we fall into is that we tend to promote the ways "we" would do it, and fail to allow for the fact that other methods may work.
For what it's worth, I could never be a WMVM kind of person. It's just not part of my personality. I could never juggle a number of women, lie to her or meet several I've been writing without extreme pangs of guilt. Yet, that's just me. There are men who can do it. Some of those men and some of those women will end up happily married. I say, good for them.
So, advice I try to recommend here is for the reader's benefit and success, not from the, "How I Would Do It" manual and guide.
I hope everyone realizes that plans should never be cast in stone, because things will always change. When I bring up things that I am planning, or thinking about doing, that doesn't mean that's what will actually happen. I'm trying to look at different options and am asking questions to see what peoples thoughts are. Am I going to ask her to skip out on her family and go to Kiev with me on the 31st, NO. I will bring up that due to travel arrangements I will need to leave on the 31st for Kiev. I would expect that there would a discussion about options, if we are hitting it off. What happens after that, who knows. Would I like her to come to Kiev with me, yes, do I want her to miss out on being with her family, no. I would like to travel on the 1st but there are not many options apparently that day. Worst case I might have to take a car, I'm working with Pavel on this though.
As far as visiting others while I am there. I put that in my letter to a number of women, I'm not lieing to anyone. Some have not written back, imagine that. They want a WOVO, good for them, they will find one. You say that there are many WMVM crash an burns, there are just as many WOVO ones as well on this board. We all do what works for us and the ladies do what works for them. Hopefully like finds like and it all works out. Nuff said on that subject.
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